Why I’m Complementarian

girls-20vs-20boys-small1-309x268I’m continuing my thoughts here from my last post, where I outline what a winsome complementarianism might look like.

By complementarianism I mean the view that men and women are equal as God’s fellow image bearers, but do have some differences of role in the church and in the home. The way I like to put it is equal, but not interchangeable. In other words, you cannot simply swap male and female in and out of different roles without any consequence; nor are the differences between male and female mere matters of anatomy. There are some fundamental, structural, psychological differences as well (though never matters of better or worse). Two specific ways this plays out: I think the husband is called to a loving leadership role in the marriage, and the office of elder/bishop/overseer (and pastor as we typically use the term) is reserved for men.

Let me be clear: as a complementarian, I oppose with all my heart (as much as any egalitarian, I hope) the misuse of male strength, so common in ancient cultures and still prevalent today. I recognize that many human cultures have indeed perpetuated systems and environments in which women have been denigrated and downplayed and devalued. But whereas egalitarianism tries to redress this problem by taking away the principle of male headship altogether, complementarianism does so by radically redefining it in light of the gospel. “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” (Ephesians 5:25). That means complementarianism is a call to die, to love, to serve. In my relationship to Esther, it means that I seek to be the first to soften and apologize in conflict, and that I seek to put her needs above my own – it means that I walk 10 miles to please her rather than walk 1 mile to please myself. I fail every day at that. But that is my target. That is what complementarianism means to me on a daily basis.

Why do I hold this view? A few reasons:

1) First, and this is more of a preliminary consideration than an argument per se, egalitarianism (as I use the term, the view that men and women have identical roles) is historically quite eccentric. To the best I can tell, its the product of recent Western cultures only. Almost every other civilization has conceived of men and women as having different roles in various spheres of life. I am not saying all ancient/Eastern cultures were/are complementarian. I think complementarianism, biblically defined, is radically subversive in every culture. For example, the call to Christ-like, sacrificial love from husbands to their wives runs counter to the staunch patriarchalism of many ancient cultures. Jesus’ own treatment of women (welcoming them as disciples, teaching them, etc.) was profoundly counter-cultural. I am simply saying that we should have some historical perspective in approaching this issue. Egalitarianism may be the default leaning in our setting, but if we widen our horizon its very much a minority voice. Unless we have a bias in favor of 21st century Western democratic cultures, this should humble us a bit and give us perspective. Why should our culture see the truth more clearly than others?

2) The Trinity is my model for all human relationship. And I would say the Trinity is pretty decidedly complementarian (Father-Son-Spirit), not egalitarian (Brother-Brother-Spirit). I am aware of the debate about this point in the literature, bit it seems basic to me that a father-son relationship is complementarian: each person complements the other with a unique role. In the case of the divine Father-Son relationship, for instance, the Son eternally is begotten of he Father, while the Father is not eternally begotten of the Son. The very fact that this God reveals this relationship with our words “father” and “son” is quite telling. And, historically, theologians have maintained that the incarnation is not arbitrarily assigned to the Son, but grows out of these ontological relations.

That means before I ever get to debate about male and female, a crucial domino has already fallen for a long while back – namely, the premise that relationships of hierarchy and subordination, of headship and submission, are not necessarily bad or oppressive or unfair. In fact, this kind of differentiation of role characterizes the relationship, the architectonic relationship, the love and joy that pulses at the core of reality. Diverse roles within equality of being and value: this is what a perfect, overflowingly joyful, happy, free, living God looks like. We don’t need to be scared of this. Its not bad.

3) Before we ever appeal to Scripture, there are strong sociological reasons for believing that men and women are different in a variety of ways that transcend culture or upbringing. Again, at the risk of reiterating this point too much, the differences are never a matter of better or worse! But there are differences. That makes me further open to the fact that maybe these differences go back to something about the way God made us.

4) The creation narrative of the Bible emphasizes that men and women are equal as God’s fellow image bearers (Genesis 1:26-28). In fact, it seems to me that the text indicates that the image of God shines forth in humanity as male and female; thus, if either all men or all women were to suddenly vanish, the image of God on planet earth would not be reduced to 50%, but to 0%. At the same time, however, the creation narrative is not what you would expect if the Bible were an egalitarian book. If that were the case, you would probably expect men and women created together, naming each other (or both named by God), and each sharing various roles. That is not the case. Adam is created first, names Eve, and she is called his helper. I am not interpreting these facts just now, I am simply reporting them. That is what happens in the narrative. Its what we all to interpret, and submit ourselves to. I don’t know that Genesis 2 would itself get me to complementarianism without the rest of the Bible, but its certainly hard to read it as an egalitarian account!

5) Throughout the Bible, both men and women play a vital role in the life of God’s people. Both use gifts to minister to others in significant ways. But in both Old and New Testament, God establishes a pattern in which the office of highest authority and leadership was held by only men. Throughout the Old Testament, women could serve as prophets, which was an occasional, diverse, ad hoc institution, but only males could serve as the Levitical priests, the regular, ongoing office of leadership among God’s people. Then in the gospels, Jesus calls only male apostles in his inner 12.  Egalitarians typically respond that Jesus was adapting to the culture, but is this really plausible? Jesus was not afraid to challenge the culture. He did so all the time. Is it really plausible that Jesus would challenge the culture of his day as radically as he did but capitulate here?

You often hear people say that its sexist to deny equal leadership opportunities for male and female; then was Jesus sexist? He could have chosen 6 and 6. Or 9 women and 3 men just to prove the point. But He chose 12 men. Was Jesus sexist? Was God sexist for the way He set up the Levitical priesthood? Should we be more progressive than Christ was? There is a pattern here already established before we ever get to the office of elder in the church (which, I would say, completes the pattern: priest –> apostle –> elder).

6) Then of course the Pauline texts, five of which stand out to me: I Corinthians 11:2-16, 14:33b-35, Colossians 3:18-19, Ephesians 5:21-33, and I Timothy 2:9-15 (I leave I Peter 3:1-7 aside for now). As I read through Two Views on Women in Ministry, I remember struggling with Keener’s contribution on I Timothy 2. I wanted to give him a chance to prove me wrong; I read with an open mind. Sometimes I got overwhelmed by the amount of background information he would present, and I would wonder, “hmmm, what if it really was just an issue related to the women in Ephesus?” (Egalitarians typically argue that Paul’s restriction was due to the fact that women were less educated in the first century and as a result more susceptible to false teaching, which indeed certainly did happen in Ephesus [I Timothy 3:6]).

But then a rather obvious thought suddenly hit me: if the problem was women in Ephesus who were teaching false doctrine, why didn’t Paul place a restriction on women … in Ephesus … who teaching false doctrine? Why would Paul universalize his concern along the lines of gender? That seems awfully sexist if it really only a problem with certain women. Were there no uneducated men in Ephesus who were susceptible to false teaching? What about women who had not succumbed to false teaching – wouldn’t it be unfair for Paul to exclude them if his concern was only with those who had? Furthermore, there is confirmation of Paul’s prohibition in I Timothy in I Corinthians 11 and I Corinthians 14. And in the latter Paul prefaces his comments with, “as in all the churches of the saints,” and grounds his teaching in “the Law,” which seems to suggest we are dealing with a trans-cultural principle.

There is a danger of appealing to murky, uncertain background situations in such a way that the actual statements of Scripture become neutralized. People do this to try to make Romans 1 not really about homosexuality per se. The bottom line is that Paul does not say that he doesn’t permit a woman who has been influenced by false teaching to teach and have authority in I Timothy 2. He says he doesn’t permit a woman to teach and have authority. Period. No qualifiers. I want to honor Paul’s words. If someone wants to convince me its possible to honor this text and come out an egalitarian, I’m all ears. But all the efforts I’ve read feel like they are not giving his words the honor they deserve.

7) Ephesians 5:21-33 is perhaps the most profound passage in the Bible on the meaning of marriage. Marriage is an institution ordained by God at creation, prior to the entrance of sin into the world. And in this passage, there are clearly different roles for male and female in the way marriage is designed to operate. Certainly Christian husbands and wives are to practice mutual submission (5:21), in the way that all Christians are. But when Paul gets more specific about the husband-wife relationship, not all the arrows point in both directions. There are certain responsibilities that husbands have that wives do not, and certain responsibilities that wives have that husbands do not. For example, Paul nowhere says, “husbands, submit to your wives, as the church submits its (wife??), Christ.” It does not say that.

Gender means something. Diverse roles in gender mean something. In this passage, their meaning is bound up with the gospel. Male, female, husband, wife, Christ, and church are all somehow integrated in Paul’s thinking. “This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church” (5:32). If we flatten out the differences of role assigned to husband and wife, we are in danger of tampering with this God-ordained institution that pictures, and is predicated on, the gospel. Its a big deal to flatten out the differences and make all the arrows point in both directions.

8) One thing I have learned in ministry is that every group tends to have leaders, and often, one key leader. Why should families be different? If its not offensive for churches to have a senior pastor, or businesses to have a CEO, or nations to a President, why is it offensive for families to have a head?

I am not ashamed to be a complementarian. I do not accept that I am 60 years out of date by taking this view. I think it is the best and most reasonable synthesis of all the relevant biblical data, and I think it accords with much of what we know apart from the Bible in the arena of common grace, and I think it can work well in every day life for mom, dad, kids, and society as a whole. It is not a view to be scoffed at and dismissed as out of touch. It should be taken seriously as a non-sexist, non-patriarchal option on the table – even for we in the 21st century West.


  1. […] I am not ashamed to be complementarian. It has never been a dirty word for me, because I’ve grown up seeing godly expressions of it in my family, and hearing compelling arguments for it from my ministry heroes. More than anything, C. S. Lewis books like Perelandra have shaped my thinking about gender. (For anyone curious, I’ve summed up why I’m complementarian here.) […]

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  2. I fail to see how you can claim women are equal to men if you deny them equal access to leadership roles. If women are to be followers whilst men are leaders, where is the equality? There are many other shortcomings in your arguments – for example the Hebrew word in Genesis 2 for helper is used of God, so it cannot imply any order of authority as you suggest. Also, the 12 apostles were all Jewish, so by your reasoning that must mean gentiles cannot be leaders in the church.

    Despite your objections to the misuse of male strength and the devaluation of women, you have done what you protest against. As a man, you have constructed a theology that devalues women by restricting their roles, based on a selective interpretation of the Bible. I hope and pray you will reconsider.

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    1. What do you mean by leadership roles? Head pastor? Worship leader? Kids Pastor? Youth Pastor? Galatians 3:28 says that in Christ there is neither male nor female, but clearly Paul lays out in Ephesians that the order is Christ > Husband > Wife though in 5:21 he says “submitting to one another out of reverence to Christ”. So, while there may be order to authority, we are all called to submit to one another out of “reverence for Christ”.


      1. With Ephesians 5:21, the examples that Paul then gives are non symmetrical – husband / wife, father / son, master / slave. I take it that he means that we are to submit to one another according to the roles that we find ourselves in, not every Christian to every other Christian equally.


  3. […] 4. Gavin Ortlund has written a good overview coming at this from another angle at: https://gavinortlund.com/2013/09/03/why-im-complementarian/ […]


  4. Thank you Gavin for your helpful perspective. Ministering in a Scottish context, I find that rampant Anachronism plus a systemic inbreeding of thought made up of only moderate to liberal leaning European theologians has led most of the evangelical church in GB to see Complementarianism as the ancient bigotry of a by-gone era. Rather than starting with the Word of God, the Gospel of Christ, and the big picture of what the Holy Spirit has been speaking through the Church universal of two thousand years… most Christians and sadly many churches assume that any church or ministry who holds any view opposing the cultural tide of the PC brigade is ready to take away suffrage and begin arranging marriages. We are black balled and lambasted in all circles… yet the Gospel is growing and bearing fruit– and is being displayed in marriages and in the church through complementation relationships.


    1. Jacob, I can start with the Bible and produce an egalitarian theology. But appealing to “the big picture of what the Holy Spirit has been speaking through the Church universal of two thousand years” isn’t really a good argument when for most of those years the church claimed that slavery was divinely approved. It’s impossible to detach our theology from the surrounding culture, be it christian or secular. I’m no liberal and I regard complementarianism as a false teaching, created by by the old boys network in the interests of self-preservation. The gospel is all about equality – the old saying that there is level ground at the foot of the cross – and so it is best modelled through egalitarianism, both in church and marriages.

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  5. Megan Ryan

    Thank you so, so much for this. I have not found another blog post explaining my own thoughts so thoroughly and clearly – and I am a woman. Thank you for the scripture exegesis. Thank you for going into detail and actually bringing the counter-arguments into the light instead of just the pro-complementarian views. They both need to be addressed and discussed in light of the historical and redemptive context of scripture. I teach Girls’ Bible at a Christian High School (a relatively “liberal” one, at that!), and I am going to direct my students here for a more thorough explanation of why I am a complementarian.

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    1. glad you found it helpful megan!


  6. […] I am not ashamed to be complementarian. It has never been a dirty word for me, because I’ve grown up seeing godly expressions of it in my family, and hearing compelling arguments for it from my ministry heroes. More than anything, C. S. Lewis books like Perelandra have shaped my thinking about gender. (For anyone curious, I’ve summed up why I’m complementarian here.) […]


  7. Mahlon LeCroix

    Throughly enjoyed reading this. I am a Baptist pastor and I teach a new belivers class on a regular basis. It never fails that when the role of Pastor is addressed this issue comes up, because it is so counter cultural. I was impressed by how you addressed this issue, and with your permission I would like to use your blog to give new members additional reading on this subject.


    1. Please feel free to use it, glad it was useful!


  8. […] Four Dangers for Complementarians: I am not ashamed to be complementarian. It has never been a dirty word for me, because I’ve grown up seeing godly expressions of it in my family, and hearing compelling arguments for it from my ministry heroes. More than anything, C. S. Lewis books like Perelandra have shaped my thinking about gender. (For anyone curious, I’ve summed up why I’m complementarian here.) […]


  9. Charlie Falugo

    Hey, Gavin,
    Thank you for your helpful and detailed explanation of your views. I really appreciate that you used the Father-Son-Holy Spirit example first. I share your views on complementarianism and the value of words used by the Holy Spirit as He inspired the writers of Scripture. However, I am amazed at the influence of CULTURE on my thinking/feelings. I agree with your views about Scripture, I do speak out in defense of male Pastor/Elder roles and yet I still feel a bit awkward when I explain my views to a mixed audience! As Mr. Spock would say “fascinating”. As a Christian I think “WHAT?”!


  10. Mark Taggart

    Great piece. I would love to hear a more detailed argument concerning why the 1 Timothy issue is not cultural but creational. This is the epicentre of the issue on many occasions. Are you aware of any articles specifically on this aspect?
    Thank you for the post.


    1. Charles Falugo

      Hi Mark. I don’t have time to give you a more detailed argument (there are MANY, though) since it’s well after mid-night. However, in Timothy the Holy Spirit, through the writing of the Apostle Paul answers every Biblical concern. Cultural? Locational? Temporary? etc, etc. Vs 13 of 1 Tim 2 explains the Holy Spirit’s intentions on this matter when He says in vs 13 “For (or because) Adam was formed first, then Eve. And the Holy Spirit continues His reason in vs 14 “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
      The questions are answered by deciding who you will believe. The Holy Spirit or cultural warriors.
      The Holy Spirit in Isaiah 53:1 asks “Who has believed our report”? That questions resounds today for everything in the whole of God’s Word.


    2. Mark (and Gavin), please note that in the creation account, Adam does not name Eve until after the fall. This naming in Genesis 3:20 is the first instance directly emphasizing the result of the curse that “he will rule over you” (Genesis 3:16). Before the fall in Genesis 1:27-28 both male and female were created in the image of God and given authority over creation. Jesus came to undo the destruction of the fall and renew created intent. Praise God!
      The references to creation in 1 Timothy were to address false teaching that was going around; a common one held that women were created first. The headquarters of the prevalent cult of Artemis, a female goddess leading a fertility cult, was in Ephesus where Timothy was leading after Paul’s extended time there. Please read Dr. Cynthia Westfall’s book Paul and Gender for more. Creation order is specifically addressed on pages 70-76. Thank you, and blessings on your continued study into God’s created intent!


  11. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate you putting yourself out there. I know I’m late to the party. I do see a few methodological points I’d like to address.

    Your definition of egalitarian is an example. So that we’re on the same plane here I’m going to use the definition from Merriam-Webster, “a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs.” I’d even be willing to add religion or church to that. I can’t speak for all egalitarians but, in my opinion, gender roles are another discussion on their own. I believe women are equally qualified to exercise the same gifts (if empowered by the Holy Spirit) and positions as men while affirming gender distinctions. Traditionally, males are males and females are females and only men can become husbands and women wives. Furthermore, only women can naturally give birth. The gender roles are distinct. That doesn’t mean women are inferior. I do want to note that gender stereotypes must not continue in the church. Not all women are nurturing and not all men are masculine. Husbands are to be sacrificial in love; however, Paul makes this rhetoric in the context of a marriage. Using this logic as a blanket statement for ecclesial governance pushes its use a bit too far. Additionally, does this mean single men cannot be sacrificial? You are using a negative inference fallacy. Paul instructs husbands and wives to both be submissive. Does this mean wives can’t be sacrificial?

    Your view of the Trinity assumes a hierarchy. In John 14, Jesus (the incarnation) was less than God (the Father). It also states this in Hebrews 2:9. I view the Trinity as a perfect harmony and equal submission between all three persons. The context of Jesus’ statement provides further insight.

    Adam being created first doesn’t demand his superiority. If anything, the Bible displays favor of the second born (i.e. Abel, Moses, Isaac, Jacob). The Holy Spirit is also called, “helper.” You should do a word study on “helper.” I found it fascinating.

    There’s a lot more to be said. I think this is a good starting point though. I hope this encourages you to do more digging. I don’t expect to change your mind or for you to adhere to my views. I merely desire for you to understand my perspectives.


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  12. Carole

    This makes no sense. Women are not “better” at certain things simply because they are women. Men are not better at leadership or anything else because they are men. Studies have shown that there are greater differences AMONG men and AMONG women than between men and women. Children are socialized from birth in certain ways, and this is why your argument, despite your prooftexting, fails. The basis is more cultural than religious. And why we do not look at individuals and allow them to do and choose the things they are INDIVIDUALLY gifted at is unreasonable and damaging. And it is inextricably part of our culture, not just a given church.

    ANY dogma that restricts half of the population, that places them in a role that is preordained because of a random, arbitrary characteristic, makes them dependent and less than full participants in society (I have heard serious discussions on whether women should be allowed to vote, MUST vote the way their husbands tell them to, if they do (even if they disagree— women have actually promoted both of these ideas— and even if they should be allowed to lift weights at a gym!), and places them in danger, is bad for that population.

    Women who have not lived on their own, have not received a real education, are not allowed to have their own jobs, money and resources, are dependent upon the largesse of a man for EVERYTHING. And the man is given absolute authority based on nothing except being a man. Often, a man a woman did not choose, because “father knows best.” Not as common now, but many of the Duggar-like cults still practice this.

    When and if she is in danger, she has no resources or recourse. And is often told to go back and pray for the abusive person who will likely, at some point, kill her, because divorce is not allowed. NEVER will I, nor should any woman, be put in that position. My partner knows that if he ever hit me even once, it would be the last time. I would be gone. And he knows I CAN, because I have a job, money, support, and credit to do so. We are PARTNERS, not a father and daughter, master and servant, or employer and employee. To define a marriage in these contexts is abhorrent. we work together, as equals, on OUR plan, that we decide TOGETHER. And we each contribute what we have to offer, not based on what we are “allowed” or “supposed” to do.

    Or gambles away their money? Or abuses her? She is told to “pray for him,” and keep following him. Doesn’t stop them from getting kicked out of their house. What happens if he dies? Now, she either gets a job (with no skills or experience, likely no education), or is dependent upon another man.

    I read of churches where obviously these men know nothing about the cycle of abuse and allow only separation until he calms down. And women who are emotionally blackmailed by these same “leaders” who tell her if she files a report, then she will lose her only means of support, since “he csn’t work if he’s in jail.” This sets a woman up for failure with little recourse should the man NOT “love her as Christ loved the church.” What I hear in response is, “Well, then he is not a true complementarian.” All well and good, but that does not save her home or her life. Another priest praised a woman who came to him (not for the first time) with bruises. Why did he praise her? Because her husband came to church. Great! Is that going to stop him from beating her when she gets home? And then there are those who are all about, “Well, is it REALLY abuse? Did he hit her or just grab her? Did it happen once or more than once?” Or who insist that the wife must not have been “submissive” enough.

    These are REAL issues that are inherent in the power structure and have been both church and cultural issues for centuries. And they are dismissed instead of being dealt with.

    And the man does not get a whole, adult, fully functioning partner. He essentially gets a child that he has to lead, correct, and “manage.”

    The entire premise is based on the assumption that men are automatically better leader because they are men, false gender stereotypes, and a power structure that necessarily leaves one person vulnerable to abuse. It may not always happen, but it is set up to allow and even encourage it. It is set up to allow half of the population a “voice” only insofar as men are willing and able to speak for them. Perhaps it might work in an ideal world (although why any woman would choose to be subjected to such is beyond me), but this ain’t that world, and men are not God.

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    1. A lot of what you say is spot on. Sadly there are all sorts of situations where people abuse their position. However, you have not given any Biblical basis for your position and ultimately, that is what is important. God has told us how he wants us to live, and we would do well to follow his loving instruction. I went through the exercise of writing a Bible Study on this topic and it seemed to be well received by a group I lead (all ladies as it works out). You can find it at: https://awamos.com/blog/2018/08/men-and-women-as-god-intended/


      1. Andrew, for Biblical teaching on egalitarianism, check out the following websites (I won’t link them as this often causes comments to be blocked as spam – typing the names into google will easily find them)

        (1) Christians for Biblical Equality
        (2) The Junia Project
        (3) Margaret Mowczko
        (4) Cheryl Schatz

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      2. In my experience, egalitarians use one or more of the following lines of attack:

        1. Ignore the Bible, either by saying something like “I’m comfortable with it” (evangelical), or “Paul didn’t write those verses anyway” (liberal).
        2. Redefine words away from their normal meaning, like Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass – “When I use a word,… it means just what I choose it to mean…”
        3. Speculate about some cultural situation that Paul was writing about, which then brings into question the perspicuity (clarity) of Scripture. Apparently we need to have special knowledge about what was going on before we can understand what the Holy Spirit was inspiring the authors to say.
        4. Say that God has obviously gifted women to teach (no argument there), and so he must have meant them to teach in every and any situation. This really is a variant of method 1.

        Have I missed something?


      3. Andrew, for Biblical teaching on egalitarianism, check out the following websites (I won’t link them as this often causes comments to be blocked as spam – typing the names into google will easily find them)

        (1) Christians for Biblical Equality
        (2) The Junia Project
        (3) Margaret Mowczko
        (4) Cheryl Schatz


    2. Carole,
      Your factual truth of differences WITHIN genders being more prominent and BETWEEN genders is right on. See here: https://www.wired.com/story/a-study-finds-sex-differences-in-the-brain-does-it-matter/?utm_source=facebook

      The real life examples you lay out must be dealt with by well meaning Complementarians. Actual life lived and consequences of this ideology speak volumes over high minded idealism. Thank you for taking the time to write it out.


  13. Eric Breaux

    You are ignorant and selective of scripture. The church is simply the community of Christians, there are no assigned offices needed to teach about God, nor prescribed in the bible, because preaching isn’t a business. Jesus specifically taught that none should lord it over with anyone. The very first people to preach the gospel were women, sent by Jesus himself to tell the apostles. The first church meetings were in homes, without ranks or pulpit’s. Many women are mentioned as teaching men in the old and new testaments. Deborah was a judge and prophet, contradicting the male teachers of Gods instructions only mentality that many people have used 1 Timothy 2:11-15 to justify. The entire book of proverbs also contradicts that interpretation, because those are the teachings of Lemuels mother. The other female prophets mentioned in the old testament are Miriam, Hulda and Noadiah. Isaiah uses a female prophet as an example of how God uses people to reveal his will. Hulda authenticated scripture in 2 Chronicles 34:23-26, so has to be teaching Gods revelation, which is what preaching is, and taught it to men. https://margmowczko.com/huldah-prophetess/ In the new testament Anna and Philips four daughters are mentioned as prophets. Romans 16:7, Acts 2:17-18 and 24-26, Phillipians 4:2-3, romans 16:1-12; which mentiones Phoebe as a deacon in the original Greek text, 1 Corinthians 1:11 and Collosians 4:15 all mention women who preached the gospel, the last verse specifically mentioning that Nympha had church meetings in her home. The parts about keeping silent and not exercising authority over a man, bible historians know the context to be not to interrupt during lessons and to not argue over who should be considered greater at teaching and serving for God. This is the message of salvation to eternal life, no one can afford to restrict anyone available from giving the message to those willing to hear for such a petty reason as sexual differentiation. Women not being allowed to preach is a human made interpretation motivated by male ego, that requires ignorance of other verses that directly contradict that idea.
    The only authority addressed in the creation in Genesis is that of all humanity to have dominion of all the other earthly creatures. No gender distinctions making men automatic leaders. You should realize that God doesn’t give men permission to have authority over women simply because of gender differences. What it means by adressing husbands as heads of their wives is not making husbands automatic leaders in relationships, because marriage is a partnership. There needs to be equal contribution from both spouses to benefit and please each other. That was the whole reason for the statement in the creation in Genesis, “it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him”. The word translated as helper from the original hebrew text is ezer, meaning a necessary help to benefit someone. This word is used numerous times in the old testament to refer to God, and twice for allied armies who came to rescue Israelites from enemy forces. Wives are not husbands assistants, they are their rescue from being alone.

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    1. Eric, you bring up a few issues that are commonly canvassed. I will try to deal with them briefly.

      1. Yes, we are all to make disciples (Matt 28:18-20), to give an account for the hope that we have (1 Pet 3:15-16), but there also are specific roles that occur in the church (e.g. search for “elders” in the NT). You admit this by referring to deacons. Are you suggesting that the Apostle Paul was in error in appointing elders (Acts 14:23; Tit 1:5; etc)?

      2. Yes, women were the first to announce the resurrection of Jesus, which was a significant thing in that society. Jesus was counter cultural in taking the time to teach women (Luke 10:38-42). He had a high view of them, we should too.

      3. As mentioned above, there are different gifts and roles in the church. The role of prophet is different to the role of pastor / teacher. There are numerous examples of women prophets both in the OT and the NT, as you mention. No problems there. However, the role of elder / pastor / teacher is reserved for men (e.g. Tit 1:6-9; 1 Tim 2:11-15, 3:1-7). There is evidence that the role of deacon was shared by both sexes (Rom 16:1-2, as you mention, and 1 Tim 3:11). We need care in figuring this all out, taking a nuanced approach. This is not to say that women can’t be excellent teachers. They can, and are urged to be so (Tit 2:4-5; 2 Tim 1:5, 3:14-15). Appealing to bible historians knowing the context of 1 Tim 2:11-12 is not helpful when Paul gives the context himself in the next 2 verses.

      4. The pastoral epistles are pretty clear that men and women have different roles in the marriage (Col 3:18-19; Eph 5:22-33; 1 Pet 3:1-7). The husband is to love his wife and give himself up for her – who could object to that?

      5. Yes, being a helper is not a degrading thing, It is a strong role, as is rightly portrayed by Lemuel’s mother in Prov 31. However I think you would be on thin ice claiming that the whole book of Proverbs is from that source.

      6. Your first few words do seem to be rather lacking in grace.

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  14. Hi Andrew,
    Thank you for sharing what you have learned about this topic in a gentle and clear way.
    I would like to learn more about this issue as I want my beliefs to be faithful to God and the Bible, that’s it.
    So I’m studying about the points of this Complementarian view and you made some good observations. However I have some questions that I would love if you could help me to understand, according to your view.

    – Taking 1 Tim 2:8-15 into account, I’ve found that the word “authority” used here could be also translated as “to dictate” or “to tell the man what to do”. Depending on the interpretation, this could be as harsh as exercising excessive power over a man (a dictature), or not even allowing a woman asking a man to (please) not put his dirty shoes over a coffee table. So where is the crossing line in this issue.
    – The same goes for “I do not permit a woman to teach”. Where is the crossing line? Is it only at church? Or in Universities? Or at home? And if a woman is permitted to teach the gospel to a man because that is also a command for us (women). Then, where should a woman stop teaching? Or a woman should not teach the gospel to a man?
    – With Deborah, she was not only a prophet, she was the highest authority in the nation of Israel. Why would God allow this if women are not to teach or to exercise authority over man. And I know that God allows many things that are sinful (like polygamy in the OT). However, polygamy is never celebrated or encouraged by God, God used Deborah to lead Israel and deliver His people from their enemies. She even asked Barak (a man) to lead the army and he would not do it unless she would go with him. So, another question is, if a woman is knowledgeable and more capable of teaching and/or leading men in a church, is it better if no one leads the church? or is it better if a man that has less knowledge or experience with the Scriptures to lead or teach in a church?
    – Why would God give a command through many women prophetesses if they are not to teach or exercise authority over men? This happens more times than Paul saying that a woman should not teach men in the Bible.
    – I understand the danger of using too much historical context to prove a point, but if we have all these other instances where women teach or exercise authority over men, why could it be wrong to use those historical contexts to explain why there are situation where yes, women should not teach or exercise authority over men.
    – Do you think that is better if a woman covers her head (1 Cor. 11), or if they do not braid their hair (1 Tim. 2:9)? Yes, I know that many times the authors in the Bible give an example of what wrong behavior could look like, and their intention is not really to forbid women to ever braid their hair, but to call them to godliness (1 Tim. 2:10). Why are we taking verse 12 completely as a literal specific command and verse 9 not as a literal command?

    I would appreciate if you take time to respond to each point as I really respect your opinion as I can see that you want to be faithful to Scriptures, but are willing to consider all the alternatives found in the same Bible.

    If I need to explain myself better in any point, please let me know.
    Thank you so much!


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    1. Zabdi, thanks for your gracious comments, hopefully the following will provide some assistance:

      1. With respect to your first two questions about where to draw the line, different groups end up with different dividing lines. E.g. some Bible Colleges are happy with female lecturers, because it is not a church and they consider Paul’s instructions to be restricted to that environment, others are not. Both (presumably) are trying to be faithful to the Scriptures and I am not going to condemn them for that. I suggest listening to https://www.9marks.org/pastors-talk/episode-93-on-1-timothy-212-and-recent-complementarian-kerfuffles/ which (eventually) gives some background on how to handle these differences. It is targeted at pastors who are familiar with the US scene (which I am not), but the important points should be able to be generally understood I hope.

      2. With respect to Deborah, Barak was supposed to provide leadership and refused (Judges 4:8), and so God determined that he would not end up receiving the glory for the death of Sisera (vs 9). Is it any wonder that God used Deborah when the men were refusing to take the lead? Of course, we need to be careful with our use of the Old Testament – often it is descriptive, not prescriptive – it tells us what happened, not necessarily what we should do. Today, if no suitable men are available, I imagine God will indeed use Godly women as He finds appropriate. However that is a big “if”.

      3. With respect to women prophets, I don’t see the relevance about the “number of times” something happens. We need to attempt to bring it to all make sense together. As I suggested in a previous reply, the role of a prophet is different to someone who teaches and has authority in the New Testament church context.

      4. You mention :all these other instances where women teach or exercise authority over men”. Where are these instances? It is never permissible to use “historical context” to nullify the word of God.

      5. In Paul’s day, covering the head was a culturally appropriate way of indicating a wife’s submission, that is what Paul is talking about. Today in the West it means that a woman is a Moslem or into retro styles of dress. We need to find culturally appropriate ways of indicating the same thing. This will differ from culture to culture, but the truth behind it remains. In 1 Timothy 2:9, Paul says it is his “desire”, but in verse 12, he says “I do not permit”, the level is different. As I understand the passage, in verse 9, the reason for his “desire” is so that they may do what is proper for women who profess Godliness (vs 10). For verse 11, the reason is given in verses 13 and 14.

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  15. Thank you for taking the time to write this. You gave many reasons you are not egalitarian, and that certainly hedges complementarianism in on one side. Do you have any posts explaining why you are not of the Biblical Patriarchy crowd?

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  16. Gavin, considering your definition that egalitarianism is the “view that men and women have identical roles,” I ask you to consider my perspective as one who is (somewhat) new to the debate: I see egalitarians saying that men and women have equal opportunity for God to gift and lead them toward whatever role God desires for them.
    Do you see the distinction? This places roles at the discretion of God and not a system that we can follow apart from God. It’s the difference between gender being the determining factor, or God being the ultimate and active leader.

    Also consider that Jesus chose 12 Jewish men. Could there be any symbolism there beyond a rule to establish gender roles? That there were 12 tribes of Israel, is one insightful parallel. If Gentiles can now lead the church, why does Gal 3:28 not also stand true for women?

    Don’t you think that distinguishing women as “prophets” (Acts 2, Joel) from women as “teachers and preachers” might be splitting hairs? To prophesy is to speak God’s message; is this not authoritative teaching? I find this to be a destructive arguing over words (2 Timothy 2:14).

    See also this post that I just wrote. Thank you for reading and considering these points. I wish you well.



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    1. Your definition of egalitarianism is definitely better than my short-hand one. I’d certainly see the 12 apostles as symbolic of the 12 tribes, but not sure that takes away from the relevance of the point. I do see elders and prophets as pretty different – I don’t think its splitting hairs because they are portrayed so differently in the Scripture. Just my take. Thanks for engaging Kristin.


      1. Gavin, Thank you for engaging. Can you explain why Jesus’ paradigm-shattering life and death opens the way for Gentiles but not women, in the context of Galatians 3:28?
        Galatians 3:3 warns of beginning in the Spirit and trying to turn to human methods. The masculine pronouns in the Greek certainly include men and women, throughout the passage. The pantes (all) of 3:26 includes truly all as “sons of God,” (the “sons” implying right to inheritance, in Greco-Roman culture, not specificity to men; of course you know this already).

        Prophets and elders are different; I will give you that. I won’t go into the elder aspects in 1 Timothy (except to again consider the masculine yet inclusive pronouns and word forms) but will ask you to consider how Scripture places the prophetic and teaching/leading (eldership) gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:28 (if one must establish primacy, which is not the point but is relevant when forced).

        Thank you!


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